Melody Wilding: How do you become fully confident and in control of your emotions and experience at work? It’s by mastering your own psychology and that of others. On this show, we decode the science of success, exploring how to get out of your own way and advance your career to new levels without becoming someone you’re not.

I’m Melody wilding, bestselling author. Human behavior professor and award-winning executive coach. Get ready and let’s put psychology to work for you.

Maybe you’ve been pushing for something big at work, a new direction for your team, a problem you’ve been trying to get the executives to take seriously. Maybe it’s even a role you’ve been advocating for that you know you are the perfect fit for, and that the organization desperately needs, but you can’t quite seem to get traction on it.

Today’s guest knows exactly what that feels like. Nirali Rana is now head of Program and Change Management at a major pharmaceutical company where she has spent years leading r and d efficiency programs. She’s an alumni of my Premier Advisory program Lead From Within, which gives you in-depth coaching and direct mentorship from me so you can land the roles you are ready for and build the influence needed to succeed in them.

When Nirali joined Lead from Within, she had been advocating for over two years to build an enterprise-wide change management capability within her organization. That’s two years of making the case, two years of trying to get executive buy-in, of feeling like she was pushing this boulder up a hill. She also had her eyes on a more senior people leadership role.

The problem was that the C-Suite saw her as a great executor, reliable, thorough, the one who gets things done, but she needed them to see her, not just as someone who took orders and delivered on the vision, but someone who was actively shaping and driving it.

In this episode, you’ll hear how Nirali used Lead from Within to finally get there. Since joining the program, she did receive approval to build those change management capabilities she had been advocating for with a huge impact across her company of nearly 50,000 people. Her CFO explicitly told her, she’s not just a great executor, but someone who he thinks creates things.

And her organization, her team, is now being positioned as an example of what good looks like for the entire enterprise. And better yet, she has been trusted with those bigger and better opportunities. She has hired several new critical high level team members to build out her function, and yes, she received a pay bump on top of it all.

What I really want you to listen for in this conversation is how she got there. How she used our document review process to refine her slides before she was presenting to the C-suite. How she used our 90 day planning framework to help her prioritize what actually mattered versus just chasing every opportunity that looked exciting.

How she reframed to focus on what her executives really cared about, instead of just overwhelming them with everything she could or wanted to share. If you are ready for more, but you feel like you’ve plateaued, if you want to build the kind of org-wide influence that makes your next move inevitable, then you definitely need to give this one a listen.

And if Nirali’s story resonates with you, I want to invite you to a free class I’m hosting on March 10th. It’s called Rise into Your Next Big Role. You can RSVP at melody wilding.com/masterclass, or the link is also in the show notes. It’s going to be all about breaking through that mid-career ceiling and the secrets to getting ahead that your boss will never tell you.

All right, let’s get into it. Here’s my conversation with Nirali.

Nirali, welcome. I’m so thrilled to have you here. Thank you for taking the time.

Nirali Rana: Thank you for having me.

Melody Wilding: Alright, so let’s start with a little bit about who you are, what you do, and then we will talk a bit about your story.

Nirali Rana: Absolutely. Yeah. So my name’s Nirali Rana. I am a pharmacist by training and currently I work at a pharmaceutical company. I’ve been there for four years leading, an R&D efficiency program.

Melody Wilding: Nice. Nice. And you did Resilient, earlier this year. So in January, and when we’re recording this, it is mid-June, and so take me back to the beginning of this year. What was going on for you? Where were you? What challenges or struggles were you facing then?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I, you know, I’ve been following you since, when I had joined Chief, you had presented, when your book came out, Trust Yourself. And so I’ve been following you since then. And when I learned about the Resilient program and took the, online strive, diagnostic and it ended up being that I fell in that category of a sensitive striver.

My score was pretty high. And, what made me wanna join the Resilient program was really, I struggled with time management. I still struggle with it, but at least I have some tools I can, I can turn to. And also I had been in my role as as director for four years in, in the organization I’m in now, and have been advocating to, to move into a people leader role.

And so that was one of the main motivators of why I joined the Resilient program.

Melody Wilding: So when it came to time management, how did that show up for you or how do you think being a sensitive striver kind of affected your relationship with time management or the challenges you were having?

Nirali Rana: Yeah, I think because I, really care and wanna contribute and wanna provide value to the organization, I tend to take things on without evaluating all the things I already have on my plate. And one of the things that you said that really stuck with me is that in order to go after the great, you have to say no to the good.

Even though it feels good and it feels like I’ll learn from it, and it seems like a great opportunity, I really have to think about what my end goal is and does that contribute to my end goal, whatever I’m taking on.

Melody Wilding: How have you applied that? What does that look like for you?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. I think what what’s been really helpful is through the Lead from Within program, we have the 90 day plan and 30 day sprint. And so having that 90 day plan really helps me understand what are the things I should take on now that aligns with my, my future goals. I think that that helps.

also just understanding my energy levels also help, just evaluating that a bit better of when I tend to do the best work. and so that’s really helped me in terms of managing my time better as well.

Melody Wilding: Yeah. And thank you for saying that too. ‘Cause Yes, not only have you done Resilient, you are also now in Lead from Within, which is the mastermind program we have And yes, in there we do a lot of, we do a process called 90 Day Planning, like you were saying, and we focus on some of those inner drive components of the strive diagnostic, right? And what you’re alluding to is really more around aligned ambition.

Am I focusing on things that I enjoy, that are high value to me, to my organization? And there’s also a bit of balanced goal setting in there, which is about, and am I taking on what is realistic with the bandwidth?

That I have, which, yes, for us strivers is always a constant ongoing battle. So I hear you on that.

Nirali Rana: And another thing that you’ve said, which I really liked too, is whenever you have your list of things you wanna do, double the amount of time that you think it’ll take you for that one item on your task list and decrease the amount of things you have on your list by half. And I, I love that.

Melody Wilding: Yes. Right, and it really all comes back to that philosophy of set yourself up to win. Set yourself up to be successful, not to feel like you’ve taken on so much, then you can accomplish it. Then you feel like you’re falling behind. Then you beat yourself up for falling behind. It just becomes this vicious cycle.

So let’s just not do that to ourselves and set ourselves up to win instead.

Okay. So that, that was a bit about the time management piece, but. You were also mentioning you wanted to, and a a goal you have was to move into more of a people leadership role, as well as, I know working on communication has been a big thing for you.

We’ll talk about that in a moment. But when it came to the people leadership side, advocating for yourself, positioning for yourself for that, what felt like a challenge for you there that made you say, I wanna get more support around this?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. So I, I had been in people leader roles before I joined the organization that I had been in, and since I joined this organization, I have not had that opportunity yet. It’s been nice to be able to, grow myself and be able to focus on myself, but it was challenging for me to express during our, my one-on-ones with my manager,

on the right way to say things. What’s, what are those right, words to say That will really land with my manager and help that manager advocate for me. You know, behind closed doors.

Melody Wilding: Yeah, so it was really more around like making the case.

Nirali Rana: Correct.

Melody Wilding: Great. Great. And so you were, you said you had taken the Strive Diagnostic and that was one way you even identified, oh my gosh, I am this personality type, and of course that’s the, the tool we use a more enhanced digital version of that, in Resilient, and we do and Lead from Within as well.

But in Resilient, you’re taking it at the beginning, the midpoint, and the end of the program. So I went back, I looked at your results from January, you started at a 72%, and then by the end of the 13 weeks you had gone to an 82% in terms of your level of balance across the different Strive qualities.

So when you think about that difference from 72% to 82%, what internal or external changes, what really contributed to that level of growth for you the most?

Nirali Rana: Really just understanding myself and understanding the positives of all those characteristics in a sensitive striver. I think just, also the, you go a lot into the neuroscience behind these aspects. And also being in a group of folks who are very, like-minded and go through the same struggles, really helped me feel more comfortable in my own skin, and understand why I behave the way I do.

And then what are the things, what are the tactics to help me change to where I want to be?

Melody Wilding: How did, because I think somebody will, would hear, yes, it would be great to feel comfortable in my own skin. But I don’t quite know what that looks like for me on a day-to-day basis. I can’t even imagine what that feels like. So what, what is different for you now that you can say that? What’s different for you day to day?

Nirali Rana: so I think you had mentioned that, 20% of the population fall into that sensitive driver category. And so one thing I remember you saying was that. That means 80% of people don’t have what I have. Right? And, and that’s a gift I can provide to the organization, to the world. And so it wouldn’t be right if I didn’t give my full self, in the situations that I’m in.

So I think I feel like that helped me the most, just understanding that aspect.

Melody Wilding: So are there any examples that come to mind of how you do that now? How do you leverage some of those sensitive striver qualities for good?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. the best example I can give you is in those settings where I am, uh, communicating with executive leadership, in my mind before, previously they’re so much smarter than me, would I contribute? Will that even be impactful? So I would stop myself from, from sharing because I would be nervous and didn’t believe in myself.

And after going through this program, I, I still, you know, still feel that way along the way. Hasn’t immediately, automatically gone away. But I’ve improved. I’ve opened up a lot more, and I’m seeing the benefits of that. One of, one of the ways I’m seeing the benefits is I have an advocating to build change management capabilities in my organization.

For two plus years, and I’m finally getting momentum in that and actually just, received approval to, to, finalize that and actually build those capabilities in my organization. And that’s a big deal. And one change management’s difficult for folks. No, it’s, it is a fairly new discipline, so folks don’t necessarily understand the details around that and how that’s beneficial.

But two, we’re a large organization and being able to achieve that, has been, has been really exciting for me.

Melody Wilding: Huge, huge. And I remember you celebrating the different milestones along the way, even in Resilient when you were getting buy-in for different pieces. And what I think is so interesting about change management in particular is that. So much of it is emotional. So much of it is navigating other people’s emotional resistance and roadblocks and fears to change.

And you’ve even had to do that with leadership to get buy-in for this because there, of course, just like anything you would be asking your leadership to invest in. If there’s hesitations, is this going to be worth our time? We’re not sure if we wanna go forward with this. What are, what is this group of stakeholders going to think?

And so I, what I have seen is your attunement to that helps you anticipate. Some of those challenges, right? To get ahead of them and reassure people and also get to the root cause of concerns people may have. Instead of just staying at this surface level, you actually are able to persuade and make a case for why this matters because you can get past just the tactics.

Nirali Rana: Yeah. And one of the things that you say is drilling it down to what they care about, what you’re, whoever you’re speaking to, what do they care about. And when you think about from an executive leadership standpoint, it’s cost, quality time, just drilling it down to those, things that they care about and how, what you’re trying to promote impacts that.

Melody Wilding: Yes. And looking at your, Strive Diagnostic, one of the areas you were already strong in, that you’ve continued to stay very strong in is an element of thoughtfulness that we call perceptiveness, which is being able to spot some of those patterns to really synthesize what’s going on around you to add value for yourself to advance your own career, but also add value to the team and the organization. And what I think has been interesting about your journey is that you’ve had to look at applying that to better tailor your messaging, so it’s landing better with your different stakeholders, especially more senior stakeholders.

So what have you learned about that?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. I think because I’m able to connect those dots and really take in all that information, I, I have had trouble into distilling it into those one or two things because there’s so much I wanna share. And, having that, top of mind of, okay, what do they actually care about? What will, provide the most, connection to those things that they care about?

And really sharing that in a way that sticks.

Melody Wilding: Yes. Yes. I love that. And one of the other areas you increased a lot was in intentional productivity. So another aspect of, in our drive, you went from a four to an eight. So what changed about how you decide what’s worth your time and energy now?

Nirali Rana: Yeah, a lot of it has to do with, the, the 90 day goal and just long term, what, what do I want to achieve in my career. and what do, what am I most passionate about? So what’s my vision? And, keeping that top of mind. And even though something looks exciting, really evaluating that and I’m still working.

Like I said, that, that’s still all something I’m working on, but making sure I keep that top of mind. Another thing is that previously just working, overworking and taking on too much. I end up, in my very stressed part of my mind and it’s hard to think rationally and actually slow down my productivity by being in that, stressed mode.

And so bringing in the tactics to manage my emotions and doing things that really help me be successful, be more productive, is something continue to bring in with all the coaching tools that you provide us.

Melody Wilding: Yeah. Would you be open to sharing what are some of those things that do help you

Nirali Rana: stay

Melody Wilding: balance?

stay balanced?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. it’s very little things, but have been pretty impactful, like in the morning, taking that, really cold when you’re having your, when you’re showering, turning on for a minute or two into cold and, creating that, the physiological impact that it provides.

also just the, I think you had mentioned just calling like the, opening and closing your fist. That really helps with, with, calming down those, emotions, and then drinking cold water.

Melody Wilding: Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that for a couple of reasons. Number one, that to reassure someone that none of this has to be very onerous and time consuming. We’re talking like the, what, a couple of seconds for each of those. And so someone like yourself who has a very demanding role, you have kids, you have, you have a big life that you can still, you’re still squeezing these things in.

You’re just, you’re optimizing how you’re spending your time to manage yourself more effectively through these situations. So that’s number one. And number two is this idea. We talk about this and Resilient, that idea that you need to manage your physiology before you manage your psychology because your body will always hijack the situation if your nervous system thinks it’s in threat mode, fight or flight. If there’s, if it thinks there’s a danger, it’s like this, this feedback loop, it will just keep, keeping those, that cortisol pumping through your body, keeping your heart rate high and.

I actually would love to hear how do you feel you being more grounded and, and managing your emotionality more effectively? How do you think that has shaped how other people perceive you

or the way you are able to

articulate yourself, communicate, express your ideas?

Nirali Rana: Yeah, I mean, just from the amount of, compliments and kudos and recognition that I’ve gotten, I’ve gotten that in the past, but I just feel like I’m getting so much more of it, that folks are seeing the impact, the really big impact I’m making to the organization, and because I’m communicating it so while the vision, they’re seeing how bright the future can be based on, on these programs that I’m leading. And that’s really inspirational because if people are, less stressed and happy at work, that’s gonna have a downstream impact to their personal life. So it’s really exciting to see what the future will look like.

Melody Wilding: Incredible. And as you think back between January when you ended the program, which I believe was around April, what else were you most proud of during that time or that you would wanna share with other people about your story during that period?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. I think at the end of the day it was, it was the confidence being more confident in my abilities and what I can, the value I can bring to our organization and being able to communicate. It’s really that communication piece. ’cause I think deep down, I know that I provide value, but it was frustrating to me that I couldn’t, that no one else, not that no one else could see it, but that it wasn’t being recognized by leadership and,

I think that’s what’s been, impactful for me and I’m seeing the results because of these, like you said, these little things that I can do in my day to day, that have a really big impact in the long term.

Melody Wilding: And let’s build on that because like I said, you have joined us in Lead from Within after Resilient. What made you think I. you said in your intake form for Lead from Within, you said, I’m excited to continue this journey. So what made you feel ready to take that next step after you had already gone through Resilient?

Nirali Rana: Yeah. So the three months go by so fast and there’s so much information. it’s very, it is very curriculum based. We have our weekly calls. I wanted to be able to apply those learnings more. And, having lead from within come right after that has been really helpful because, like I said, there’s been so many learnings and to be able to have you and the team hold me accountable for that and being able to talk about real life things that are happening and getting input on that in real time.

It’s priceless to be honest.

Melody Wilding: And I’ve loved working with you in Lead From Within ’cause you are someone who uses the different aspects of the program, the in Lead from Within, unlike in Resilient, we do document reviews and so I always love that I get to get my hands in different slides you’re working on or executive updates.

What has been the most valuable part of lead from within for you because you’ve, during the course of now, I, I believe we’re just about three months in to Lead from within at this point as well. And you’ve been working on a lot of, there are self-advocacy pieces. There is still advocacy for this change management work.

So what’s been valuable to you as you’re kind of trying to push all these big things forward?

Nirali Rana: so much. I mean, so I, I have shared my bio with you, you getting great feedback on that. All the steer code, presentations I’ve had, I recently had to put together some slides for our executive, our CEO and their leadership team. and then I, I recently presented at a panel, discussion and I sent you my videos and you gave me feedback.

it’s just been incredible and I love what you do with, you not only give the feedback in the comments of whatever, content I’m sharing with you, but you record a video and I think that’s so unique. I’ve never seen any other coach or anyone do that, and so you provide a lot of context. And reasoning behind why you’re recommending this change and that, that really helps me so that I can apply it in the future to my other, content that I’m creating.

Melody Wilding: Yes. Yes. And that’s exactly why I do that, is I don’t just wanna give you, like change this wording here, this header. I want you to understand why, because the most valuable thing is to teach you how to think differently or to see whatever it is from a different lens. And so I’m glad to hear that’s been helpful and you, you listen to those and actually, and watch

Nirali Rana: Yeah, you teach us how to fish,

Melody Wilding: Correct. Exactly.

Exactly. And um, one of your goals specifically coming into Lead from within was to build more credibility with your executive leadership. So what progress do you think or have you seen you’ve made there?

Nirali Rana: Yeah, I’ve been getting really great feedback from my CFO/COO our chief of staff, our HR partner, my leader. So it’s, uh, been really great exposure and I think you came into my life at the perfect time, I think because you’ve been able to give me feedback on how I can, really position myself in a great way.

but it’s just been just getting the natural feedback, especially from my CFO/COO had mentioned that, I’m able to, what’d she say? I’m able to execute. I, I basically am able to execute a lot in a short period of time, and she saw that I’m able to do that, but she knows that I’m strategic as well. I’m not just a, a doer, but I can think at a high level and create things. And that’s been really exciting.

Melody Wilding: Yes. I remember when you got that feedback and I, I raised a little bit of a yellow flag and I said, normally this type of feedback would worry me when an executive leader says, oh, you’re a great executor because typically it means we don’t see you as more of the strategic contributor. But the way it was shared, it was very clear that they saw you that the way you execute

strategic because you are so good at bringing people together, at communicating

communicating across different barriers and you’re in a very large matrixed organization, right? There’s a lot of people that all have different opinions, and it was clear from your leaders’ feedback that they, they saw that as a huge asset that you bring to the table.

Nirali Rana: Yeah. Yeah. And they even said that, our organization will be showcasing what good looks like for the rest of the enterprise. And I thought that was pretty impactful too, to get that type of feedback?

Melody Wilding: Huge. Huge. And so what would you tell someone, let’s go back to Resilient for one second. What would you tell the Sensitive Striver who is maybe where you were in January or a little bit before, who’s maybe struggling with a feeling of overwhelm in terms of how they’re managing their self, their time. Who feels like, yeah, I am taking on too much. I, I don’t know how to explain my worth and my value to the organization. What would you tell that person? What general advice would you give them? And then we’ll talk about maybe about resilience specifically.

Nirali Rana: Yeah. I was gonna go straight into Resilient, but general advice is, take a step back and reflect. Reflect on what’s going good and what would you like to improve on. And then, either look for, ways you could improve on those things. honestly, it’s something that you build a community for, I didn’t even talk about the community aspect, but the community that we built in Resilient, we’re still in touch. We have weekly, I haven’t been able to attend the weekly meetings, but they’ve had, they’re having weekly meetings on Fridays, and we talk to each other on a WhatsApp group and we share our wins still.

I don’t know if you know that Melody, but we’re sharing our wins on a weekly basis and, that, that comradery continues. But, I think it, it’s, you owe it to yourself to invest in something that’ll help you be able to, manage your time better and be successful at work again, so that you can be happy in your home life too.

It’s really that at the end of the day, it’s, it’s being happy in what you’re doing, but also, being happy in your personal life, and we know that can have a direct impact.

Melody Wilding: So true. So true. And just to ask you a little more about that, have you, what ripple effect have you seen?

Nirali Rana: Mm-hmm. Yeah. to be honest, I see myself going back to my old behaviors and it’s like bringing those tools in back into, I’m in that phase right now. I’m going into my bad behaviors again. I feel like, I’m able to be more present at home.

I am able to, in the weekends not really think about work and just really focus on enjoying the time with my family. My, my kids are young, and I have twins, seventh and ninth grade. And this is a really important time for me to be there for them and be present for them.

from a Resilient standpoint, It is time and it is money, but I will tell you it’s worth every penny and worth every minute that you spend on this.

Melody Wilding: Yeah. And, and thank you for sharing that too, that it’s not all sunshine, rainbows, and roses every day. That’s real life, right? And this is, that is the definition of Resilient is there are peaks and valleys, right? But you come back to your tools, you come back to the practices, and you don’t fall. As deep of the spiral where it’s, I always like to say the delta between when the challenging thing happens and our ability to recover from it, that decreases and that’s success because life is going to, life. Work is going to work, right? Summer is here. So now I’m sure your schedule’s changing and it, it’s always going to happen, but it’s how, how do we meet, those challenges and what do we make them mean about us? And so I’m so glad to hear that. And also we can continue coaching on that and Lead from Within. So look out for your question about that.

Nirali Rana: Yeah.

Melody Wilding: but also for the Resilient graduate who has gone through the program and who felt like, you know, sometimes I say Resilient’s, a little like Sensitive Striver bootcamp because to your point it is, it’s an intensive, we are meeting twice a week.

There’s a lot of content in the program. There’s a lot of tools. what do you also say to the Resilient graduate about Lead from Within?

Nirali Rana: Oh yes. what I, another piece that I appreciate with Lead from Within that really enticed me along with the other offering, you had added in the panel how to be successful in panel discussions, the one page performance review.

And then speak like a senior leader is another one. so not only do I have access to the amazing tools that are, and I know I probably sound like an ad, but I’m really a true, truly passionate about this.

melody, you had helped me, create a script for my mom. My mom got laid off recently and she really should be retiring. She did officially retire, but she negotiated her, her severance and she got an extra month of severance. And so just having those talking points at my fingertips, has been really valuable.

Melody Wilding: Yes. Yeah. And, and I was so happy to hear that about your mom too, and I see where you get your drive from then that she didn’t, she’s not ready, she’s not done yet. but with Lead from Within, as you said, yes, it’s really, because it’s my highest level offer, you all get pretty much everything. So yes, you get access to Resilient on an ongoing basis.

You sometimes I will send people back there to say, now’s a good time to revisit this lesson about this. But yes, Speak Like a Senior Leader is my new program and all of you will get access to that curriculum as well in addition to within Lead From Within. Because it’s a fraction of the size of Resilient we can get so much more.

In depth into your situation. Right. And there’s not only our weekly calls where we have those touch bases and there’s a higher level of accountability. Because I always say, you can’t hide from me in from within. but in a good way, it means that week to week, it’s like, okay, what did, what were you, what did you say you were gonna work on last week?

Did you do it? Why not? What got in your way? All right, let’s workshop that. Let’s get into the nuances and if there are things for me to review, whether it is like slides, talking points with some of you we’re working on your LinkedIn, your cover letter, your resume, and I always love being able to add curriculum for all of you around that too.

So.

Nirali Rana: Yeah. And, and I will share too, my leader. so my company has been sponsoring this and I’m really grateful that my leader has approved this. But, my, my leader was wondering why the cost is so low. He was just wondering what, and because he’s been through programs that are $30,000 and, but it’s the one-on-one.

That’s why he does a lot of those programs are one-on-one, but I actually like this cohort. because it doesn’t feel as onerous and like, oh, I need to be ready. You know, if there’s one week where I miss, if I don’t, interact as much, that’s okay.

The difference between Resilient and Lean from Within is, Resilient three months, and this is six months, right? I really like that, that it’s cost, it’s affordable, and I still get a lot of value out of it.

Melody Wilding: Oh, well I need, it sounds like I also need your boss to do a testimonial too.

That’s a different conversation. is there anything you want to mention either about Resilient, Lead from Within your story, your journey over the last year that we, that we didn’t touch on?

Nirali Rana: one other thing that I want to mention is in Resilient, you have Wendy as a partner. So I think just hearing from two different coaches, in one program, I think that has been valuable too. I do miss Wendy till I said hi.

Melody Wilding: I that, that is so wonderful to hear. I will absolutely pass that along and, thank you for that too. Because yeah, I kind of like to think of it as you get two price, two coaches for the price of one and I. Even during office hours, you Yes. I, I’m on every single call. It’s not the type of program where you come in and then I just ghost and disappear.

But you hear from me. And then we also ask Wendy for what else would she add? And, she has 30 years of experience in the corporate world as a leader in tech. And so she brings just such a different lens to the table on top of now being a certified coach with, I think she’s done over 500 coaching hours.

Nirali Rana: Yeah,

Melody Wilding: yes. To have,

Nirali Rana: very soothing too.

Melody Wilding: yes she has, she has, that, velvet hammer

Nirali Rana: Yes. Yes.

Melody Wilding: type of energy for sure.

Nirali Rana: And the other piece with Lead from Within that’s a little bit different than Resilient. I think it came up in Resilient a bit, but Lead from Within my peers are giving me advice too. And because of a smaller cohort, I think we’re able to that a bit more.

I, I appreciate that too.

Melody Wilding: Yes, yes. And Lead from Within, yes, it is a much more curated experience. We, we tend to target lead from within more from mid to senior level folks. And so you’re all in the trenches together and, and. that’s the benefit of the mastermind format.

Is you are getting some of that peer support as well, which is so valuable because it, I have expertise that I can bring to the table, but if someone can tell you this is exactly what worked for me when I was dealing with this underperforming team member, or when I had to have this similar tough conversation with my leadership, that’s invaluable to have that perspective.

Nirali Rana: Yeah, absolutely.

Melody Wilding: Nirali, thank you so much for doing this, for your time, for your openness. It was so wonderful having you, and I just, I can’t wait for these next couple of months and Lead from Within.

Nirali Rana: Same. Thank you so much, Melody.

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